Monday, May 1, 2023

Letter of Accusation Against a False Teacher

In October of 2021, ten ordained elders in the Church of the Nazarene followed the steps outlined in our denominational Manual of polity to file a formal letter of accusation against Tom Oord. In this article, you will be able to read the letter of accusation we sent to his District (the Intermountain District of the Church of the Nazarene) as well as Oord's response to these accusations. The intended outcome of such a letter is discipline and, in this case, the removal of Oord's credentials.

After a few months, I was contacted in March of 2022 and told that, through the process, it was found that "neither the accusations, nor evidence met the criteria for probable grounds for charges moving forward" so the District Advisory Board of the Intermountain district had no plans at that time to move forward on the issue. Oord's credentials were not removed. No action was taken at that time; even after listening to Oord's own words in his response shared below.

Oord's response provided ample evidence of his views on various subjects that put him outside of the Church of the Nazarene's faith and practice. In fact, he does not deny he wants to change the Church's stance on human sexuality from our historic and biblical stance. Since the events of late 2021 and early 2022, Oord has put out two recent books. The first one is a claim that God is not all powerful (against omnipotence) and the second is a book he edited to promote his agenda of pushing for the Church of the Nazarene to be more LGBTQIA+ affirming. More evidence is readily available for Oord to lose his credentials in the Church of the Nazarene. But how much evidence do we really need to do the right thing in this situation?

The Board of General Superintendents recently put out a ruling that clarified that, among other things, the statement on human sexuality was an essential statement. Their ruling verbatim was: “The Articles of Faith, the Covenant of Christian Character, and the Covenant of Christian Conduct, are essential statements of the doctrine of the Church of the Nazarene, as well as those portions of the Manual pertaining to what we believe and how we live in light of those beliefs.”

It is important to be aware that the real problem at hand does not specifically have anything to do with Tom Oord. Most everyone within the Church of the Nazarene perceives his theology and agenda problematic, if not anti-Nazarene. But there will always be people like Oord who seek to undermine orthodoxy and orthopraxy within the church universal. The history of the church, including the New Testament, makes us keenly aware that he is only one among a long line of false teachers. The troubling thing about all of this, and the real issue at hand, is the lack of ability from some leadership to deal with this problem: Oord maintains his status as an elder in the Church of the Nazarene. 

The questions keep coming to mind: Why does Oord still have his credentials? 

Turmoil, confusion, and division are the fruits of allowing one to remain who is not willing to hold to their elders' vows. 

Why can't this be handled? Fear of angry voices on social media? Nepotism? Legal lawsuits? Bureaucratic red tape?


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RE: Formal Accusation against Thomas Oord

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Date: October 2021

District Superintendent Rev. J. Scott Shaw & Advisory Board of the InterMountain District:

This letter is to adhere to the Manual of the Church of the Nazarene (606-606.12) in bringing a formal accusation against an Elder in the Church of the Nazarene on the Intermountain District: Rev. Thomas Oord.

Listed are a few specific areas of teachings that not only step beyond the boundaries of the Church of the Nazarene's position, but into a place that rejects biblical authority on these issues and adopts unorthodox theological views.

1.) The Bible and the Church's view of Homosexuality. Oord has frequently rejected the church's stance on Human Sexuality (Manual 31). Often opining on social media about the need for the Church of the Nazarene to be "fully affirming," which is vocabulary that indicates Oord believes the Church of the Nazarene should allow those who practice homosexuality to become members and be ordained within the church. (See “Exhibit 1”)

In essence, this is refuting the clear teachings of Scripture on the matter. He seems to be committed to pushing the Church of the Nazarene into a similar position that contradicts the Bible's teaching on this issue or continuing to promote that which contradicts his commitment to uphold the doctrines and practices of the church since the time of his ordination.

On October 7-8, 2021, Oord and Johnathan Foster (a previously ordained elder who no longer has credentials in the Church of the Nazarene because of his persistent push to disregard the clear teachings of Scripture on the issue of homosexual acts) hosted a conference titled, “An Interesting Conference About Sexuality” (See “Exhibit 2”). The conference had four speakers and was described by Johnathan Foster on October 3rd (See “Exhibit 3”). The push was for us to redefine clear biblical and historical teachings of the Church to accommodate current cultural shifts in attitudes about practicing homosexuality.

This shift that Oord is pushing is also evident in the context of marriage as Oord believes that Nazarene ministers should be allowed to marry two individuals of the same sex. On October 27, 2021 Oord advocated online for Nazarene elders to be able to perform same sex marriages. (See “Exhibit 4”)

This is a serious breech of, not only Nazarene teachings, but the historic doctrine and practice of the Church universal. Oord simply rejects Paul’s admonition about, among other things, those who practice homosexuality:

“[9] Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, [10] nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. [11] And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.”1

2.) The Divinity of Jesus. Oord has taught and promoted his own idea that Jesus is not God, or at least that he is not sure if Jesus is really God. These philosophical musings are not appropriate for an ordained elder who should be able to rightly divide the Word of God. The following are his own words on the issue from a public social media discussion on June 15, 2021: "I know few scholars who think the only people who can rightly self-identify as Christians are those who think Jesus is God" (See “Exhibit 5”). Along the same line of thinking is a denial of the literal virgin birth of Jesus.2

1 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 (ESV)

2 Which is a denial of Article of Faith II

3.) The Sovereignty of God. In a denial of our first Article of Faith which states that God is an “eternally existent, infinite God, Sovereign Creator and Sustainer of the universe”3 Oord expresses a different view of God. He elaborates on this view in his book “God Can’t”. He expounds upon his beliefs in a podcast from December 18, 2019 in which he says, “God doesn’t have the power to control nature or the natural processes; any creature whatsoever.”4 He goes on to say: “God in fact is working all the time, moment by moment, to overcome evil. But God simply cannot prevent evil single-handedly.” No doubt some of his vocabulary is intended to be a bit sensational in order to sell more books. However, he continually diminishes the sovereignty and power of God to suit his own process philosophies.

Oord has publicly argued against Creation ex nihilo, which one must argue when one believes that God is not the Sovereign Creator and Sustainer of the universe. Oord simply believes that God does not have the unilateral ability to sustain the universe or effect it apart from cooperation with humanity.

His rather arrogant claim is to have solved the problem of evil (see Exhibit #6).5 However, in purportedly solving the problem, he has compromised some of the most basic tenets of Christianity (and well beyond the tenets of the Church of the Nazarene) about God (His character and ability).6

3 Article of Faith I

4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-QxhfGiXeI

5 "In each moment, additional information is generated in the universe (and in other universes, if they exist). God learns this new information as soon as it’s knowable. God is like an all-absorbing sponge or all-encompassing database who inputs all information available."

"But God learns and grows in knowledge, and yet knows everything knowable in each moment."

Both quotes can be found in his article at http://thomasjayoord.com/index.php/blog/archives/gods-omniscience-grows

6 No theologian or philosopher in human history has successfully solved the problem of evil.

4.) Universalism. Though he might describe it using other words, universalism is another conclusion at which Oord has arrived. Denying the existence of hell (and likely any form of eternal punishment) in favor of a non-biblical and "Article of Faith rejecting"7 idea that all people ultimately are received into heaven regardless of faith in Christ alone, repentance, and/or the new birth is a type of universalism. This is a violation and affront to the Bible, the historical creeds of Christianity, and many of the Church of the Nazarene’s Articles of Faith. Oord chooses rather to accept Rob Bell’s views from “Love Wins” which he quotes in his book “God Can’t.” Oord’s false interpretation of the love of God disregards the necessity of faith and repentance during this life. God could not and would not send anyone to a place like hell according to Oord.

5.) Resurrection, Judgment, & Destiny. Oord claims frequently that he does not believe in a “punitive God.” Linked to the claim of his “universalism” above, He would obviously deny the wrath of God and the reality “that the finally impenitent shall suffer eternally in hell.” Hell, like the virgin birth, and maybe even the resurrection of Jesus, is no more than a philosophical construct for Oord’s personal philosophy.

Oord’s narrow definition of love excludes a God who would make a judgment that would send someone to a punitive place.

6.) Scripture. Ultimately the authoritative basis for Oord’s false teaching is found not in Scripture but in his own ability to reason. While Scripture is referenced in his written works, it is not the basis of authority in his teachings. Indeed it cannot be. Denying the virgin birth, the judgment of God, the sovereignty of God, and denying God as Sustainer of creation (unilaterally) gives plenty of warrant to the reality that his theological underpinnings are not biblical, but philosophical. Oord is well within the context of religious philosophy but not that of orthodox Christianity.

7 Article of Faith XVI

The impact of Oord's teachings and ministry also give a context to these specific doctrinal errors. Examples include students leaving the Church of the Nazarene, leaving the Christian faith, and frequently spreading division within the church, its institutions, and among its people.

These events, along with past ones, are the basis for this formal accusation. They are a serious offense to the doctrine and polity of the Church of the Nazarene. These are not innocent mistakes, but calculated, intentional, recurring, and divisive actions taking place within the Church of the Nazarene. Oord is using the Church of the Nazarene as his platform to justify and propagate this false teaching.

The recurring reality of an individual who persistently rejects what the church believes (denominationally) and how the Church of the Nazarene arrives at its theological conclusions (biblically, see Article of Faith IV), lays the foundation for a biblical example of a false teacher who persists in his error without a willingness to submit to the authority of the Church and the theological accountability of the family of God.

The following is from an article in the Miami Herald in regards to an interview initiated by a previous president of Northwest Nazarene University & the District Superintendent of the InterMountain district. It said of Oord,

"In a letter to Alexander that Oord shared, [Jesse] Middendorf and [H. Ray] Dunning say much of what Oord believes is “well within” the traditions on which Nazarene beliefs are based. But “there are positions he holds that raise serious questions of compatibility with the doctrines of scripture and interpretation as understood by our church.”

They suggested the university work with Oord to change those beliefs. “If that is not possible, we would hope that the university could find a way to provide a graceful and meaningful exit for him to exercise his gifts and graces in places more

compatible with the positions and approaches to examining the faith and expressing his grasp of truth as he understands it.”"8

It would seem that in spite of a wave of gracious attempts to restore Oord to orthodoxy within the Church of the Nazarene, it has been unable to bring him to an acknowledgment of the truth. He continually demonstrates his persistence in holding to non-Nazarene and non-biblical theological viewpoints while teaching and promoting these same ideologies to others. Often his rationale is that since the Manual presumably changes every four years, his beliefs are justified in being unorthodox. However, the reality is that such a rationale as his would place every person, Christian or not, within the scope of the Church of the Nazarene’s membership and even clergy.

Questions that need to be answered include: 1. Does he believe, affirm, and teach that a monogamous, homosexual marriage is compatible with orthodox Christianity and, more specifically, the Church of the Nazarene? 2. Can he definitely declare by faith that God exists and that He is revealed to us through the Bible?9

3. Does he believe, affirm, and teach “that the finally impenitent shall suffer eternally in hell”10? Can people reject Christ and the Gospel in this life and yet be in Heaven? 4. Does he believe, affirm, and teach that Jesus is the Son of God? And that this belief is not only located within Christianity, but that failure to acknowledge Jesus as

8 https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/national/article95628932.html

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“But I’m not 100% sure God exists. I worry when people say they’re certain God exists. These people also usually say or act as if they’ve got God figured out. After all, it would be strange to say you’re certain God exists but not be certain who God is. Brazen certainty often leads to pride. It tempts one to ridicule or even want to destroy those who have different views of God.” From Oord’s article found at http://thomasjayoord.com/index.php/blog/archives/love-and-my-search-for-meaning in which he rejects the “certainty of God’s existence”.

10 Article of Faith XVI.

the Christ, the Son of the living God, excludes one from participating in Christian salvation.

Thomas Oord has long been a very public figure within the Church of the Nazarene as he has taught at Northwest Nazarene University, Eastern Nazarene College, and spoken at numerous conferences and other academic institutions. While instructing students, future pastors and leaders he has consistently created a pattern of rejecting the Church of the Nazarene's teaching across a variety of very important subjects and opted to intentionally and persistently choose and promote non-biblical and unorthodox views. The issues listed above represent a systemic problem of long-term proportions as he has consistently been at the forefront of serious concerns by a host of sincere leaders in the Church of the Nazarene. Outside of a repentance and a recantation of his erroneous beliefs, which it seems must be public in nature (as his teachings have indeed been very public), would we not be guilty of "tolerating the teachings of the Nicolaitans"11 if Oord were to remain credentialed within the Church of the Nazarene? It is apparent to us that the answer is an unqualifiedly, yes.

We, the undersigned, appreciate your time and attention in this matter. This letter is not submitted lightly as it is understood how difficult this process is for a people moving forward in grace and truth. We are praying for your part in this process as we also give our attention to the work of the Kingdom.

Titus 3:10-11 “As for a person who stirs up division, after warning him once and then twice, have nothing more to do with him, knowing that such a person is warped and sinful; he is self-condemned.”

Signed:

Jared K Henry (Lead Pastor, Mackey Church of the Nazarene, IN)

















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Thomas Jay Oord’s Response to Accusations Brought by Signatories Outside the Intermountain District but Reformulated by an Intermountain District Board

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by Thomas Jay Oord

What follows are my responses to questions listed at the conclusion of this document. The questions were formulated by a committee from the Church of the Nazarene’s Intermountain District after considering six broad accusations against me made by a group of 10 or so signatories. The people in this accusing group are not members of the Intermountain District but sent their accusations to District Superintendent Scott Shaw. After he talked with General Superintendent Fili Chambo, Shaw moved forward with the proceedings.

Superintendent Shaw met with me in November 2021 to relay the original charges. He explained the process and asked what I wanted to do. I said I would face the accusations and undergo the hearing/trial as laid out in the Manual. Superintendent Shaw said he’d choose the committee to hear my case, evaluate my written response, and receive my verbal defense on a date to be determined. He thereafter assembled a district committee and appointed Assistant District Superintendent Brent Deakins as the chair.

To my mind, the charges against me divide into two parts. One part is theological. The other is about social ethics, specifically the denomination’s stance on Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender, and Queer (LGBTQ) people outlined in Covenant of Christian Conduct in “Human Sexuality and Marriage.”

The committee assigned to my case wisely set aside most theological charges leveled by the accusing group. Those charges revealed a lack of understanding of how the Wesleyan-holiness tradition thinks about salvation, God’s love, other religious traditions, and more. The accusing signatories fail to understand the range of acceptable beliefs in the Wesleyan-holiness tradition and the Church of the Nazarene.

Because I consider the theological charges without basis, I’ll address them first and rather briefly. I’ll deal with questions about LGBTQ people and the denomination’s view of Human Sexuality and Marriage later. I regard the latter issues as the primary reasons I am undergoing this hearing/trial. Those issues provide an opportunity to explain the meaning and primacy of love in the Wesleyan-holiness theology that undergirds the Church of the Nazarene.

Theological Concerns

The Church of the Nazarene’s Articles of Faith

I appreciate, embrace, affirm, and endorse the Articles of Faith in the Church of the Nazarene.

Occasionally, I am asked why I chose to be ordained in the Church of the Nazarene and choose to remain thirty years after my ordination ceremony. I respond that I’m compelled by the Wesleyan theology undergirding the denomination’s articles of faith. No set of statements can perfectly express all one wants to say about God, of course, and the articles are constantly being revised. I appreciate, embrace, affirm, and endorse the Articles of Faith in the Church of the Nazarene. I have no issues with them and see my views as aligned with the articles.

Part of question three below asks, “How do you deal with any discrepancies between your teaching (in public comments, blog posts, conference speaking engagements, etc.) and your harmonious support of the COTN Articles of Faith?” In my view, there are no discrepancies, so I regard the question as misinformed.

My accusers apparently interpret the articles differently than I do. My beliefs and teachings do not align with their views. But I do not see my teaching as leading to discrepancies about valid interpretations of the articles. And many scholars in the Church of the Nazarene interpret the articles in the way I do, especially those with extensive theological education.

I believe my accusers do not sufficiently understand what it means to embrace the Wesleyan-holiness theology that undergirds the Articles of Faith in the Church of the Nazarene. For example, I make statements about truth in other religious traditions that trouble my accusers. Our Wesleyan theology of prevenient grace, however, supports God’s work in religions other than Christianity. The beauty of the Wesleyan tradition is it’s understanding that God’s love and truth aren’t reserved for just a few; they are available to all. I consider the claims of Christianity, however, more true and more winsome than those of other religious traditions.[1] That’s the major reason I choose to be a Christian.

Or take my view of the afterlife. My accusers apparently do not understand my stance on this subject and have consequently misrepresented me. They seem not to realize the possibility that no one will be “finally impenitent,” to use the statement in the Manual. Wesleyan-holiness people believe God wants to save all. I reject the idea that God forces everyone into heaven. I’m not what many call a “classic universalist,” because of my view of creaturely freedom, another Wesleyan emphasis. Scripture and the Manual leave open the possibility that God’s love will ultimately redeem all creatures through loving persuasion. The Church of the Nazarene is optimistic about the power of God’s grace.[2]

Believing God Exists

I believe God exists. I’m exceedingly surprised by this question.

I’m not certain God exists, however. I doubt anyone can be 100% certain, although I admit some people claim to be. Even if certainty about God’s existence is possible, the Manual doesn’t require anyone to attain this state of confidence.

Throughout history, Christians have typically steered clear of claiming to be certain about God. We talk instead about having faith. Christians are believers, not “certainers,” to coin a word.

I don’t advocate blind faith, however, and I often argue against it. There are good reasons to believe God exists. The phrases I use to describe my stance are that I “reasonably trust” God exists or think God’s existence is “more plausible than not.” Those phrases, in my way of thinking, point to good arguments, evidence, and experiences that indicate God exists… requiring no one to be certain.

Incidentally, most people I talk to about this issue find immense encouragement after hearing they can have genuine doubts about God and yet be faithfully Christian. My statement, “I’m not certain,” offers them hope. They’re relieved to discover Phineas Bresee’s words that “Faith isn’t the absence of doubt; it’s choosing to believe, despite doubt.”[3]

Jesus and God

Christians have throughout the centuries tried to discern how to make sense of Jesus’ relation to God. Some scripture passages say Jesus has a unique relationship with the One he calls “Abba.” Biblical writers, over and again, say Jesus reveals God, and I strongly affirm this. In this sense, I believe Jesus is divine. I stand with Scripture and the Manual.

We Christians have various theories for why Jesus did not have the attributes we think characterize God. One that I’ve cited in many writings says those attributes were set aside in the incarnation. Often, Philippians 2 is the basis for this theory, and I’ve written extensively about this. It fits what I and other scholars call a “Spirit Christology:” Jesus responded perfectly to the Spirit and revealed God’s nature of love.[4] A Trinitarian model that says God is revealed in Jesus makes the most sense to me.

Nearly all Christians think God is omnipresent and omniscient, by which we mean God is present to all creation and God knows all that’s possible to know. But Jesus clearly was not omnipresent. And he lacked complete knowledge, illustrated by the questions he often asked and statements made (e.g., “Who touched me?” “No one knows the day and hour, except the Father”). Simply saying “Jesus is God” can be easily interpreted as meaning Jesus was also omnipresent or omniscient, which, according to the Bible, he was not.

I don’t recall the specifics of the conversation with Michael McElyea noted in question 4c below. I suspect my point in the exchange was simply to say that while Jesus reveals God, he did not have all the attributes many Christians claim God has. But more importantly, I see no conflict between my views and the Manual’s statements on Jesus.

I affirm the Article of Faith on Jesus.


Sexuality Concerns

I have for decades worked for changes in the Church of the Nazarene’s statements on LGBTQ people, their identities, and sexual practices. In my view, the denominational statements do not reflect well the love at the heart of Wesleyan-holiness theology. I was happy about the progress made in the recent General Assembly rewriting of the “Marriage and Sexuality” statement. But I believe more changes are needed.

My desire to see changes in the Manual comes from my love for God, for members of the Church of the Nazarene, for LGBTQ people, and for the friends and family of LGBTQ people. I think God is pleased by healthy LGBTQ sexual practices and God affirms nonheteronormative identities. I think the Church of the Nazarene ought to imitate God’s love by being pleased in the same way.

I am one among a sizable number of members of the Church of the Nazarene who are LGBTQ affirming. I say a “sizable number” because I don’t know the exact total. Most affirming members are reluctant to say so in public, although many divulge their beliefs to me in private. By “LGBTQ affirming,” I mean many members of the Church of the Nazarene believe non-heterosexual (e.g., Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender, and Queer) orientation, identity, and sexual behavior (expressed in a covenant relationship) are compatible with authentic Christian faith.

As evidence for this claim, I rely upon the Pew Research Center. A 2007 Pew poll showed that 31% of those who identify with the Church of the Nazarene thought society should accept homosexuality. That percentage jumped to 40% by 2014.[5] I suspect the percentage is higher today, but Pew has not released current numbers.

Assuming the USA Church of the Nazarene has around 600,000 members, the Pew polls suggest that 200,000+ US Nazarenes hold views about LGBTQ matters similar to mine. From my conversations with pastors and laity on the Intermountain District, I believe the percentage of affirming people on the district is higher. Even if these polls and estimates are off several percentage points, it remains the case that a sizable number of members of the denomination think society should accept LGBTQ people and their behaviors. Every person I know who thinks society should accept LGBTQ also thinks the denomination should accept it. They have the same standard for love in the church and society.

A Barna Report indicates that 46% of practicing Christians under the age of 40 want more laws to protect Same-Sex Marriage and LGBTQ rights.[6] This is not the same as saying LGBTQ is compatible with Christian faith, of course, but most who want protections and rights are also LGBTQ affirming. In other words, they think about these matters much like I do. The two major takeaways from that Barna report are 1) American Christians are becoming increasingly accepting of LGBTQ people and their sexual behavior, and 2) younger American Christians are more accepting than older Americans.

Based on the Pew and Barna polls and my own interactions, I suspect most US Nazarene youth want the Church of the Nazarene’s views on LGBQT issues to change. And from my time speaking in Europe, I believe the percentage of European Nazarene youth who want change is even higher. If the views of the young eventually become the views of the majority, the Church of the Nazarene will undergo change in the coming decades. We have revised many topics in the Covenant of Christian Conduct over the past century; we should expect and welcome changes related to LGBTQ issues.

My experience speaking at nearly every Church of the Nazarene higher educational institution in the US and many Nazarene institutions overseas tells me that most university students and faculty are LGBTQ affirming. Many talk to me about these matters in private, fearing accusations and the treatment I’m currently undergoing. They want a safe forum without fear of reprisal to make their case for full LGBTQ inclusion in the Church of the Nazarene.[7]

Should I Stay Or Should I Go?

Many people – especially young people and including some pastors – leave the Church of the Nazarene because of its current stance on LGBTQ people. A 2008 poll of twenty religions/denominations said the holiness tradition – of which the Church of the Nazarene is the largest denomination — is the worst of all religious groups at retaining young people. Only 32% of Nazarene youth remain with the denomination.[8] A similar poll in 2015 showed no change in this rate of exit.[9]

Some members who want changes on LGBTQ issues ask my advice on whether they should stay or leave. I counsel them on a case-by-case basis. Some leave to become Methodists, Lutherans, Episcopalians, or something else. I respect their decisions, and I wish them well.

Some stay. Despite thinking the denomination’s view of human sexuality is unloving, unbiblical, or just out of touch, some LGBTQ-affirming youth, pastors, scholars, and leaders remain with the Church of the Nazarene. I respect those decisions too.

Why do some stay, despite disagreeing with the Manual on LGBTQ matters? Here are the reasons I often hear…

Family and Friendship

Many LGBTQ-affirming members of the denomination have strong friendship and family ties to people in the Church of the Nazarene. Rather than think beliefs and rules are primary for membership, they think of the denomination as a family or intimate community. As you know, this way of thinking about the church has strong biblical support.

This approach assumes people are more important than rules. Besides, do you leave a family just because other members hold beliefs that you don’t… especially when so many of your siblings believe as you do? Friendship and family are more important than rules and regulations.

2. Changing Groups

Some who remain are students of denominational history. The Church of the Nazarene has changed its views on many issues, especially issues in the Code of Christian Conduct. Divorce is now considered appropriate in some cases, for instance, although it’s still mentioned in the Code alongside same-sex marriage. Jewelry is commonplace today, but was once condemned. Few members today think twice about going to the theater or circus, but these practices were forbidden in the 1928 Manual. The denomination has changed its mind on dancing, movies, and many other topics in the Covenant of Christian Conduct.

Denominational leaders also realize context matters. In some African contexts, we tolerate polygamy among Church of the Nazarene members. In some European contexts, members consume alcohol with no fear of repercussion. Divorce no longer carries the stigma among US Nazarenes it once did.

Groups change, including denominational groups. Why think the Church of the Nazarene will keep its current stance on LGBTQ? We made positive strides at the recent General Assembly to alter the denomination’s official view. But we need more changes for the Church of the Nazarene to become fully LGBTQ affirming. Many stay expecting that eventually change will come, hopefully sooner rather than later. The optimism of grace leads me to believe the denomination will eventually see that love calls it to embrace and affirm LGBTQ people.

3. Loving Experience

Others believe the denomination’s theology implies that LGBTQ people and their loving practices ought to be affirmed. Like me, some cite love as the core of the holiness message. Others consider religious experience vital for discerning authentic Christian faith. They know LGBTQ people who have vibrant Christian testimonies.

Those who oppose LGBTQ people and activity often reference seven or eight biblical verses to support their view. Biblical scholars, theologians, and Christian ethicists have written massive tomes on this material. Many argue those verses either apply to ancient practices not identical to contemporary LGBTQ issues or those verses reflect the cultural biases of their day. The biblical witness to sex and marriage is complex.[10]

Many people in the Church of the Nazarene already endorse this general approach to biblical interpretation when defending the full status of women in ministry. In fact, we could cite more biblical passages that relegate women to subservient roles than verses condemning LGBTQ people and behavior. And yet the Church of the Nazarene rightly privileges Scriptures that support full status for women in ministry and equality in marriage.[11] Many of the passages cited call for love and equality for all people. Love and lived experience matter, and we should use this hermeneutic for LGBTQ concerns.

The Theological Difference

Other members of the Church of the Nazarene ask me if they should leave because of theological differences with the denomination. Those differences are not with the Human Sexuality and Marriage statements; they disagree with the Articles of Faith. I tell them the articles were not handed down from heaven, and each allows for a range of interpretation. The articles have also changed over time, at least to some degree. Articles 15 and 16 are currently going through a major overhaul, and the future will bring more changes.

Many say their theological views differ drastically from the articles. Some believe, for instance, the denomination’s view on biblical inerrancy is too soft. They want a Manual statement that affirms absolute biblical inerrancy. Others think the Articles are at odds with the sovereignty of God. They believe God is in control and we have no freedom to do other than what God decides. Some think the Articles of Faith are wrong about hell, original sin, women in ministry, sanctification as transformation, or something else.

In these conversations, I realize some members of the denomination actually want a Calvinist or Catholic theology. Or something else. So I lovingly tell them to consider joining another community.

Am I wrong to encourage some to leave but encourage some LGBTQ-affirming members to stay?

I don’t think so. As I see it, the essential theology of the Church of the Nazarene is compatible with believing LGBTQ people are welcome in the denomination. Here’s what I mean:

The core of our holiness message is love. “Love” doesn’t mean, “we accept any behavior or beliefs whatsoever.” It means we want the well-being of others. We seek the transformation of ourselves and all creation. Some LGBTQ behavior – including same-sex marriage – can promote well-being. It’s good and healthy; it represents the values of the Kingdom of God. The transformation God desires rarely if ever requires LGBTQ people to change their sexual orientation, identity, or loving behavior.

Let me put this another way: LGBTQ people can live Christlike lives. Some of the most loving people I know are not heteronormative. Living Christlike lives is the holiness gospel, and some LGBTQ people act like Christ. They love like Jesus loved. And their identity or behavior as LGBTQ people is not an obstacle to their being Christlike.

Love calls us to be faithful in our partnering commitments. Those who commit to monogamy – whether heterosexual or same-sex marriage – are called to be faithful to God, their partner, and the Kingdom. If the Church of the Nazarene – as people who seek purity – wants to encourage loving faithfulness and discourage promiscuity, it ought to endorse same-sex marriage. The denomination also ought to lead the way in advocating for transgender people. It ought to recognize the variation of attraction experienced by bisexual people. And so on.

As those who care for the marginalized, Nazarenes ought to be allies for LGBTQ people rather than adversaries.

My Role as a Licensed Minister and Thought Leader

Some questions at the conclusion of this document come from the district committee and not from the original charges against me. These questions pertain to how I see my role as an acting minister and thought leader in the Church of the Nazarene.

One set of questions asks about officiating same-sex marriages. Given what I’ve said above, it will come as no surprise that I look forward to the day the denomination endorses same-sex marriage. If members of the Church of the Nazarene truly believe in sexual purity, they ought to encourage lifelong sexual partnerships in marriage. The holiness message ought to compel members of the denomination to support same-sex marriage.

I have never officiated a same-sex marriage, and I have no plans to do so. But if one of my daughters was a lesbian and wanted me to officiate her marriage to her lesbian partner, I’d do it in a heartbeat. If needed, I’d officiate the ceremony as a layperson and ask the couple to get an official marriage endorsement from a state official. But I love my children and think this love far exceeds any commitment I have to a statement in the Covenant of Christian Conduct I think needs changing. I hope all clergy would privilege love for their children over denominational rules, even if it comes at personal cost. And if they would, they likely understand much of the LGBTQ logic I’m presenting here.

I do not think ordained elders should surrender their credentials if they officiate a same-sex wedding. Our allegiance is first to God and the love to which God calls. But because most members in the Church of the Nazarene currently do not think about same-sex weddings the way I do, I’d encourage the Nazarene elder who wants to officiate a same-sex ceremony to do so and subsequently have it endorsed by some other person or agency. Or do so with a minister of another Christian denomination. I give this advice with a sad heart, however, believing that on this issue, those outside the Church of the Nazarene are more in tune with the Spirit’s leading.

The final set of questions asks about my personal beliefs and the denomination’s. It asks if I support the denomination and whether I’m in “hearty accord” with the statement on human sexuality. I strongly support the denomination; I love the people who comprise this community. I’ve given much of my time, emotional energy, and resources to help the Church of the Nazarene broadly and to help individual members specifically. To use the language of the Apostle Paul, I have “poured myself out” sacrificially for this body of believers.

I heartily support and believe myself to be in accord with the Articles of Faith. But I think the denomination’s statement of human sexuality should evolve. I will continue working to see changes made. That will mean speaking against current denominational practices and ideas I believe are not aligned with our core theology of love. I expect all people associated with the Church of the Nazarene – whether they are ordained or not – to place their allegiance with the God of love and see allegiance to the Church of the Nazarene as secondary. God and denomination are not identical.

I would also expect people who disagree with the Covenant of Christian Conduct to do so respectfully. And to be discerning in how they disagree. I don’t claim to have always been wise, but I feel good about most of my speech and activities. I commit myself to working for change in wise and loving ways. I aim to love in word and deed.

The Process of Change in the Church of the Nazarene

In 2007, I gave a plenary paper at Northwest Nazarene University’s Wesley Center Conference. The paper was titled, “Revisioning Article X: Fifteen Changes in the Church of the Nazarene’s Article on Entire Sanctification.” In my presentation and the paper that circulated widely thereafter, I suggested both major and minor changes to the denomination’s views on sanctification.

No one brought me up on charges. No one thought I was a heretic or was teaching false doctrine when I suggested fifteen changes to the article widely regarded as the denomination’s distinctive doctrine. In fact, many fellow scholars applauded my suggestions, while suggesting changes of their own or noting differences in nuance. An official denominational committee formed soon thereafter, and years later, several of my suggested changes occurred.

Before this event, I suggested a change to Article I in the Manual, the article on the doctrine of God. I suggested we should add a statement about God’s love. My suggestion made its way through the system and now is part of the official statement. Again, no one brought me up on charges for thinking the Articles of Faith needed changing.

To be clear, I’m not claiming I alone orchestrated these changes to the Manual. Others played key roles; it takes a community. But I bring up these examples to note that even with the Articles of Faith—which are widely thought essential rather than nonessential like the Covenant of Christian Conduct—differences of opinion can lead to changes in denomination’s official views. Someone—or many someones—initiates conversations leading to those changes.

It’s also important to note that not all of my proposed changes were accepted. But no one said, “the new Manual doesn’t reflect everything Tom suggested, so he should leave.” Nor did I feel compelled to abandon the denomination. Apparently, differences of opinion are acceptable for the Articles of Faith. How much more should a difference of opinion be acceptable to the denomination’s Covenant of Christian Conduct? While Covenant issues are important, they are not essential.

Far better to follow the advice of Phineas Bresee and many others: “On essentials, we seek unity. On nonessentials, we allow freedom. In all things, we seek to love.”  

How Does Change Occur?

According to the polls I’ve cited and my experience, a huge number of Church of the Nazarene members agree with me. Probably hundreds of thousands. But the majority do not. Some districts or world regions are more “progressive” on this issue. But the majority currently does not think like me and many, many others.

If the change I want to see is to become a reality, how will that occur? What brings people to change their minds about LGBTQ people and issues to endorse views like mine?

Most people who change their minds do not suddenly realize the few biblical passages that directly pertain to same-sex relations don’t apply today. Change rarely comes through biblical argumentation, as important as Scripture is.

Change comes when people we know well – our children, best friends, or family members – “come out” as lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, queer, or something similar. Close relationships also lead many to realize LGBTQ identity, attractions, and behaviors can be healthy and loving. A growing number of members of the Church of the Nazarene are experiencing these perspective-changing encounters with family and friends.

Others change their minds on issues of human sexuality when they spend time with LGBTQ Christians who love like Jesus. These people may not be family members or friends, but they clearly live lives of love. “The proof of the pudding is in the eating,” says the adage, and the proof is that many LGBTQ people live fruitful lives of the Spirit. They are transformed into the image of the invisible God.

When I think of those people in my own life, friends like Alicia, Carol, Cindy, David, Dwayne, Flora, Fraser, Gary, Isaac, John, Jordan, Lisa, Manuel, Matthew, Michael, Monica, Scott, Susie, Tim, Tyler, and more come to mind. LGBTQ people show evidence of the gifts of ministry, pastoral leadership, and general good works in the world.

Still others change their minds on intellectual grounds. That’s how I changed my mind. Through a study of scripture, theology, science, and more, some people come to realize traditional binary views of human sexuality do not apply to all people. It’s no minor point that the consensus opinion in psychology and other human sciences is that LGBTQ behavior can be healthy and life-giving.[12] Scientific consensus is on the side of people who think like me about LGBTQ issues. Those who point to examples of LGBTQ misbehavior – e.g., abuse, promiscuity, unsafe sex – often fail to note this misbehavior also occurs among heterosexuals.

What won’t happen is that every single member of the Church of the Nazarene awakes one morning and simultaneously says, “we should change the statement on human sexuality and marriage today.” Instead, change takes time. In the beginning, there are a few dissenters. Momentum builds. And eventually, the majority see the need to alter official statements. It’s a process, and if the statistics I offered and my experiences are correct, the Church of the Nazarene is changing its views on LGBTQ issues.

In fact, change is already here. It’s just that many members of the Church of the Nazarene are afraid to make the public statements I make. They know negative repercussions will probably come if they speak out or ask for civil conversation. But I predict many will become more vocal in the coming days. The issues at the heart of my case are likely to grow in importance.

Where Should We Go From Here?

I know the decisions this Intermountain District committee makes carry real and widespread consequences. If the committee endorses and wholeheartedly affirms what I say, those who believe traditional views about sexuality and marriage will be angry. Some may leave the denomination.

If the committee rejects what I say and votes to take my license, those who want change will be angry. Pastors and laity will leave the Church of the Nazarene. Others will go into hiding, fearing that speaking out will mean their trial and dismissal. Rejecting the way forward I have proposed – opening up a conversation about accepting people with LGBTQ identity, orientation, and loving sexual behaviors – means more Nazarene youth will leave.

It’s not too dramatic to say the denomination’s future vitality is at stake.

I trust that those hearing my case will find my theological views within the spectrum of viable interpretations of the Articles of Faith. I certainly think they are, and so do many others.

Ideally, the committee would join me in seeking changes in the statement on Marriage and Human Sexuality. Even if committee members do not take a proactive approach to make changes, I hope they see the Covenant of Christian Conduct as a nonessential document. There is room for those who in good conscience and in the name of love disagree with the denomination’s statement on marriage and human sexuality.

I hope the committee will also see the need for open conversations about LGBTQ issues. People want to speak freely and without fear of dismissal from their leadership roles or the denomination. My case could spark healthy discussions.[13]

Above all, I hope this committee will stand for what, in my mind, is the way of love.

Rev. Dr. Thomas Jay Oord (January 2022)

Questions for Dr. Thomas Jay Oord

1. Do you affirm and support the statement in the Nazarene manual on Human Sexuality and Marriage (31)?

If not, what areas are of concern for you and why?

If yes, help us understand how your statements in the evidence (Exhibit 1 & 4) and your personal beliefs about human sexuality are in harmony or are not in harmony with the doctrine of the COTN? Specifically, your comments stating: 

   a.  “I am one among those who thinks it (homosexual activity) is not always sinful” (Exhibit 1) 

   b. When asked the question: “Should Ministers of the COTN should be allowed to marry LGBTQ couples?” You responded: “Yes on the first.”  Do you believe Nazarene ministers should be allowed to perform same-sex ceremonies? If you were asked to do a same-sex ceremony, would you do it? In your view, would performing a same-sex ceremony be a violation of the COTN beliefs and be cause for surrendering of ordination credentials? How are your publicly stated views and opinions concerning same-sex marriages consistent and in accord with the COTN statements on human sexuality?

2.  What do you mean by “full inclusion” with your view and stance on same-sex sexuality? (Exhibit 1: “I am in favor of full inclusion of LGBTQ people…”) For which of the following roles are you in favor of a same-sex sexually active person being eligible to serve in the Church of the Nazarene? As an Ordinated minister? As a non-ordained minister? As a member? In an elected Leadership position? As a lay teacher? As an attender? Other? Does your position on “full inclusion” also include marriage ceremonies bless and sanctioned by the COTN?

3.  Do you affirm and support Articles 1-16 in the Nazarene manual?

If not, what areas are of concern for you and why?

If yes, how do you deal with any discrepancies between your teaching (in public comments, blog posts, conference speaking engagements, etc.) and your harmonious support of the COTN Articles of Faith? 

4. Help us understand your statements on the certainty in the existence of God and your understanding of Articles 1, 2 and 3. 

   a. Specifically you say in a blog “But I’m not 100% sure God exists…” (footnote 9 on pg. 5 of accusation document). Are you now certain in the existence of God as stated in Article 1, 2 and 3?

   b. Exhibit 5 “I know few scholars who think the only people who can rightly self-identify as Christians are those who think Jesus is God.”  Are you one of those scholars? If so, help us understand how someone can be a Christian without believing that Jesus is God. (Article 2)

   c. Do you remember or have documentation on the conversation in Exhibit 5 with Michael McElyea? His comment states that you told Michael that “you told me that you do not even believe that Jesus is God Himself.” Does this comment accurately reflect what you said and what you believe personally? Or what did you mean by that implied statement? Do you believe that Jesus is God as stated in Article 2?

5. How do you differentiate your personal beliefs and role as an ordained minister in the COTN and your role as a teacher in the COTN? What responsibility do you have as a Nazarene minister supporting the COTN and respecting the office of an ordained elder for the public/online statements that you make? How do your public/online statements and teachings demonstrate that you are in hearty accord with the statements of the COTN on human sexuality?

[1] For details on my view of God’s loving revelation to all creatures, see Thomas Jay Oord, The Uncontrolling Love of God (Downers Grove, Ill: Intervarsity Academic, 2015).

[2] For details on my view of the afterlife, see Thomas Jay Oord, Questions and Answers for God Can’t (SacraSage, 2020).

[3] I explain myself on these matters in a book I co-edited called Postmodern and Wesleyan? published by the Nazarene Publishing House. Instead of cutting and pasting paragraphs here, see my essay, “Truth and Postmodernism,” among others.

[4] For more on this, see my essay, “Essential Kenosis Christology,” in Christology: From the Wesleys to the Twenty-first Century, Jason Vicker and Jerome Van Kuiken, eds. (Nashville: Wesley’s Foundry Books, 2020) and my book, The Uncontrolling Love of God (Downers Grove, Ill.: IVP Academic, 2015).

[5] See https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/12/18/most-u-s-christian-groups-grow-more-accepting-of-homosexuality/

[6] See https://www.barna.com/research/americas-change-of-mind-on-same-sex-marriage-and-lgbtq-rights/

[7] The call for safe and irenic discussion of LGBTQ issues is also present among the Church of the Nazarene clergy. See the doctoral work of Reg Watson on this matter (R. G. Watson, Nazarene Clergy Responses to Homosexuality and Interactions with LGBT People [Doctoral dissertation, Regent University, 2015], 123, 125, 279, 317).

[8] See http://thomasjayoord.com/index.php/blog/archives/atheists_only_slightly_worse_at_retaining_children_than_holiness_folk

[9] See https://www.pewforum.org/2015/05/12/chapter-2-religious-switching-and-intermarriage/pr_15-05-12_rls_chapter2-04/

[10] Among the helpful books and essays on this subject, see Cheryl B. Anderson, Ancient Laws and Contemporary Controversies: The Need for Inclusive Biblical Interpretation (Oxford University Press 2009); John Boswell, Christianity, Social Tolerance, and Homosexuality (University of Chicago Press, 1980); James V. Brownson, Bible, Gender, Sexuality: Reframing the Church’s Debate on Same-Sex Relationships (William B. Eerdmans, 2013); Elizabeth M. Edman, Queer Virtue: What LGBTQ People Know about Life and Love and How it Can Revitalize Christianity (Beacon, 2016); Richard Elliott Friedman and Shawna Dolansky, eds. The Bible Now: Homosexuality, Abortion, Women, Death Penalty, Earth (Oxford: Oxford University Press, 2011); Victor Paul Furnish, “Homosexuality?” in The Moral Teaching of Paul: Selected Issues, 3rd ed. (Nashville: Abingdon, 2009), 55-93; David Gushee, Changing Our Minds, 2nd ed. (Spirit Books, 2015); Karen R. Keen, Scripture, Ethics, and the Possibility of Same-Sex Relationships (William B. Eerdmans, 2018); Craig S. Keener, Romans: A New Covenant Commentary (Cascade, 2009); Colby Martin, Unclobber: Rethinking Our Misuse of the Bible On Homosexuality (Westminster John Knox, 2016); Dale B. Martin, Sex and the Single Savior (Westminster John Knox, 2006); Russell Pregeant, Engaging the New Testament (Minneapolis: Fortress, 1995); Eugene F. Rogers, “Same-sex Complementarity: A Theology of Marriage” (The Christian Century, 2011); Robin Scroggs, The New Testament and Homosexuality (Philadelphia: Fortress, 1983); Matthew Vines, God and The Gay Christian: The Biblical Case in Support of Same-Sex Relationships (Convergent, 2014).

[11] On the role culture plays in discerning LGBTQ matters, see Rev. Bruce Barnard, “Cognitive Dissonance and the Progression of the Church on Major Cultural Norms,” (D.Min., George Fox University, 2016).

[12] I could cite numerous sources to support this claim. But here’s a link to the American Psychological Association statements on LGBTQ issues https://www.apa.org/topics/lgbtq/

[13] I am grateful to wise friends who read previous drafts of this document and give helpful advice. Because some could receive criticism for being associated with me or this document, I’ll not list their names. But I’m deeply grateful for their kindness, encouragement, and suggestions.



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28 comments:

  1. So I agree that Oord shouldn’t have his credentials anymore… but your witch hunt mentality and vengeful pursuit of those outside our doctrine and polity reflect nothing of Christlikeness. I’d be afraid of my eternal destination if I were you… Jared, is this really what you want to be remembered for? The guy who ruined a bunch of people’s lives and was always on the hunt. Or a local pastor who put 100% into their local community… you can’t do both.

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    1. How do you in one breath agree that Oord should not be credentialed, and in the other lay shame upon holding a credentialed minister accountable to scriptural and docrtinal fidelity?

      The first steps of submitting to authorities to handle this privately have failed. The next step is to appeal publicly.

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    2. No, what is frightening is that someone like Jared and You who have no comprehension of how cultural beliefs impact your understanding of your faith is allowed to very literally witch hunt people and usually successfully get them removed via underhanded means, including at least one instance of getting donors to threaten withholding funds to an organization.

      And then have the audacity to publicly proclaim this sinful activity as "the high road"

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    3. You have this backward. We do not filter scripture through culture. We filter culture through scripture. If what we see in culture does not align with scripture, we have a duty and obligation to address this. Paul continually called out false teaching and false doctrine in the early church. These individuals followed the guidelines and protocols set forth by the COTN for addressing such teachings.

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  2. This post is frightening in many ways.
    First, the Church of the Nazarene has a manual for a reason. It describes in detail what the church is and serves to justify it’s existence. There are many branches on the family tree of Christianity. Many groups differ on practices of government, baptismal modes and doctrinal statements. I do not by any means reject the Christianity of those with who I have disagreement. I do, of course, believe them wrong else I would be rejecting my own beliefs. But.. as humans were are subject to mistaken views without necessarily making sinful choices. I allow anyone those choices. However, every successful denomination is so because they have established a “manual”, constitution or some governing document that gives clarity as to what they, as a group, believe. Anyone unwilling to accept the governing document has no business being in that group. A person who believes in the fluidity of doctrine and Christian practice as an individual choice would be at home in the Unitarian church and probably belongs there.
    Second, debating any theological point from a measurement of cultural acceptance or individual reasoning may be interesting but the very term “Christian” precludes any of us placing our own interpretations above those given by Jesus and the apostles to whom He gave the direct order to take His gospel to the world. Without a biblical foundation, a church is simply a club that serves the demands and charitable impulses of it’s members. To be Christian brings it to a purpose defined by God. The lack of belief in Jesus (The Christ) as God should eliminate it being called Christian much less Nazarene.
    Third, I am amazed and frightened that the leadership of the church would allow what directly and distinctly violates the very definition of the church to be taught with the blessing (ordination) of the church.
    The leaders are leaders of what? Certainly not the Nazarene church described in the Manual!
    They remind me of the comic strip opossum Pogo who said “There go my people. I must follow them for I am their leader!”
    As I said, It’s frightening.

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  3. This post is frightening in many ways.
    First, the Church of the Nazarene has a manual for a reason. It describes in detail what the church is and serves to justify it’s existence. There are many branches on the family tree of Christianity. Many groups differ on practices of government, baptismal modes and doctrinal statements. I do not by any means reject the Christianity of those with who I have disagreement. I do, of course, believe them wrong else I would be rejecting my own beliefs. But.. as humans were are subject to mistaken views without necessarily making sinful choices. I allow anyone those choices. However, every successful denomination is so because they have established a “manual”, constitution or some governing document that gives clarity as to what they, as a group, believe. Anyone unwilling to accept the governing document has no business being in that group. A person who believes in the fluidity of doctrine and Christian practice as an individual choice would be at home in the Unitarian church and probably belongs there.
    Second, debating any theological point from a measurement of cultural acceptance or individual reasoning may be interesting but the very term “Christian” precludes any of us placing our own interpretations above those given by Jesus and the apostles to whom He gave the direct order to take His gospel to the world. Without a biblical foundation, a church is simply a club that serves the demands and charitable impulses of it’s members. To be Christian brings it to a purpose defined by God. The lack of belief in Jesus (The Christ) as God should eliminate it being called Christian much less Nazarene.
    Third, I am amazed and frightened that the leadership of the church would allow what directly and distinctly violates the very definition of the church to be taught with the blessing (ordination) of the church.
    The leaders are leaders of what? Certainly not the Nazarene church described in the Manual!
    They remind me of the comic strip opossum Pogo who said “There go my people. I must follow them for I am their leader!”
    As I said, It’s frightening.

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  4. Jared, you’ve always been a legalistic idiot. You’ve been trying to split the denomination for years. Even if you succeed, in 20 years there will be quite a few more LGBTQ+ Christ-followers making Christlike disciples in the nations than homophobic people such as yourself who believe they are Nazarene but have Reformed, frankly Calvinistic beliefs. Go to the SBC and spread your garbage in a denomination who will appreciate you for the elect you believe yourself to be.

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    1. Your position is reduced to name calling & condescension, how original.

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  5. All that time is wasted on this document.

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  6. I fail to see how this is taking the high road as the title suggests. This is the petty whining of a child who didn’t get their way. How is this helpful? How is it uplifting? How does it help to further the Kingdom? This is completely unnecessary and divisive. Are you really so arrogant and self-righteous that you can’t accept that the District doesn’t feel the same way you do?

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  7. Grateful for Oord. Jared, you’re part of the reason people are leaving the COTN. Your constant witch-hunts are anything but Christlike.

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  8. So just because someone disagrees with you, they must be excluded from the community?

    May God show you the weight of your sin as you lead people astray with your obsession with others' use of their genitalia. May you experience the millstone around your neck now, that you would repent and save yourself from the worse damnation.

    This is what the Spirit says to you, Jared Henry. You lead people astray. You are the rotten pillar causing the house of the Most High on earth to fall. You have built yourself up in your own eyes and hold yourself and your genitals in esteem while you condemn those whom God has made clean and drive them forever from the Body. You cut off the hands and feet of Christ proclaiming that only an anus like yourself can be part of the body. Your words are a stench to the Almighty, your prayers are an abomination. Repent. The LORD is merciful. The one who dined with sinners and accepted the annointing of a whore is compassionate and accepting. He will teach you how to be his child, if you set aside your petty hatred and your evil vendettas. But if you do not repent, Be afraid. The One who made and loves those whom you harm does not wait for you forever. If you choose to continue to mutilate the Body of Christ you too, will be cut off but you will never be able to return. God is faithful but he is just, and the cries of those you attack have reached His ears. His justice will be swift and terrible upon you and everything you hold dear should you ignore His warning.

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  9. You would be a terrible lawyer. Accusations and proof were trash.

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  10. I'd be interested in how you align this blog with our Manual statement on social media

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  11. What is most interesting is that there are many many other than Oord who do and say the same thing, but you are going after primarily him. Either you have a grudge, or your shameless method of self-promotion is to attack what other people do because you don’t have the candlepower to actually be a theologian yourself. At least, that is how you have always been in the past. Therefore, this is really nothing more than the masturbatory self-congratulation of a homophobe who has failed to understand the Church of the Nazarene and holiness theology for decades. And here is the best part, the part that will bug you the most: we love you anyway. So do your worst! Bring it on. Nothing, no matter how ridiculous and petty your efforts are, could make us stop loving you in spite of yourself.

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    1. what a hateful way of communicating “love”

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  12. Sorry but this is just wrong. You are bashing your own team. First off, some of the information you provide in this blog is incorrect and untrue. Secondly, this is poor leadership and totally unprofessional on your part. Have you talked to the DS, the DAB, the leaders of the Intermountain District? Do you have the facts? Do you even know the process of the Nazarene church? The polity and procedures? Do you understand the implications of accusations versus charges? Have you seen the results of other districts who have brought up charges and lost, thus strengthening the cause of the one accused?

    I was reading just this morning out of Psalm 15: "Who may dwell in your sacred tent or live on your holy mountain? The one whose tongue utters no slander, and casts no slur on others.."

    Your form of slander and slur is not the type of Holiness that makes me want to Partner with you or other leaders who do such things. You might also consider that you could be put up on Accusations and potentially Charges of unbecoming a minister by not aligning to the unity of the church, slandering, giving untruths in your blog, violating the manual statements on social media, and not working within the processes of the manual.

    A blog and a publication like this is unprofessional, uncalled for, and shows the real character of your agenda. Please get the Matt. 18 principle correct and talk with others before posting this to the world if you desire to be a man and pastor of truth and integrity.

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  13. Obviously there are some very bold people who like to comment as long as they do so anonymously. I don't typically respond to anonymous posts/comments.

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    1. That's okay because you've already said more than enough. There's no need for you to even try to defend your indefensible words. You're just the worst.

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  14. Sharon AutenriethMay 3, 2023 at 1:56 PM

    Jared, I see that you are still enjoying your self-appointed role as Grand Inquisitor. Does attacking others make you feel bigger and more important?

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  15. Hey Jared hope you're doing well! I was just thinking about old times back in the dorms when we would play Halo all the time and you would always be like "get that ol boy" as you were chasing someone down. This just reminded me of that for some reason. Anyway have a good one.

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  16. Who are “we re undersigned “ ? You only included your name. Is it possible that you are the only one leading this modern day witch hunt? If not, have those that initially signed on to these charges since recanted? If they did, then why I this being published in a publicly available blog post just prior to General Assembly 2023, when you have held onto this “Information “ for more than 14 months? (Since March is 2022). This sounds more like slander than it does a formalization of charges against an elder in good standing. There seems to be no other reason to be including this in your blog now, as opposed to telling the world about this earthshaking revelation more than a year later.
    And maybe, just maybe, the reason people are signing comments as anonymous as opposed to using their real name, is because you have routinely bragged about “getting those danged progressives” out of the COTN, and naming them by name, that they don’t want to deal with your list of sinners.
    But, then you do realize, that but for the grace of God, bought by the precious spilled blood and mutilated body of Jesus Christ, you are undone?
    The COTN is getting tired of your antics, and those of Brian Powell, Tim Gates, and so many others that are dragging the name of our church through the mud. When you do this, it is the same as re-crucifying Christ- and for that, if nothing else, you should be ashamed.

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  17. "By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.” - Jesus

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  18. My brother, it looks like Oord is only part of the problem, judging by the bold anonymous responses you got. The denomination as a whole has already sold it's soul. God, however, is neither surprised nor hampered. It is His judgment they must meet, not the other way around. Meanwhile the Church itself is triumphant in it's mission, no matter how many of its ship sink from neglect and compromise.

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  19. John Henderson, Tennessee

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  20. Thank you for exposing this terrible blight on the COTN. If people only know the Scripture they can avoid the deception of the false prophet exposed in your blog. It is so clear that they do not approach sexual sin from Scripture. This nullifies any credibility they might have. There will always be some who are deceived. It is a sad day when they are found in the ranks of supposed leadership. Press on my brother.

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  21. Your blog must have gone out in a link with folks encouraged to spam it with “hate”. Interesting, the organized efforts to curse you for Jesus sake :) I recognize you attempted to follow the Scriptural plan for addressing issues in the Church and this is the final step of brining things before the (general) Church. It’s an odd idea, love without accountability. But people are fighting for it like never before…the freedom to do “what thou wilt.” It’s not the Spirit of Christ motivating this vehement reaction to you. Blessings on you brother. Doug Hopkins

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