Wednesday, September 9, 2020

Why I Can No Longer Support Nazarene Theological Seminary...

Why I can no longer support Nazarene Theological Seminary's current leadership.

I write the following with a heavy heart. Before I get into the reasons, let me give a little background.

I came to know Jesus as my Savior through the Church of the Nazarene. It was in 1989 during a weeknight at a Fall revival at Lafayette Church of the Nazarene (Lexington, KY). I was young, but it was a transformational turning point in my life. I love the Church of the Nazarene. The Church of the Nazarene is where I heard about the message of holiness and God's work of entire sanctification. I have sensed the presence of the Holy Spirit in Churches of the Nazarene in different states and international places. I have been taught in her Sunday School classes, worshiped in children's church, participated in teen camps, attended camp meetings, gone on work & witness trips, listened with interest as missionaries told of the mighty works of God.

It was the Church of the Nazarene that affirmed God's call on my life and ordained me. My ordination in the Church of the Nazarene means something to me. I have now pastored churches since 2003. I have served in small places and large places. God has seen fit to allow me the opportunity to serve through the Church of the Nazarene. 

The consensus among many is that young people in the church are only going to be reached by a continued compromise of our identity. At first that compromise involved only our standards found in the covenant of Christian conduct (the "rules" of membership). Things that many people were not completely comfortable with but were not willing to battle as they were not "essential." It seems now that we have delved into "essentials."

My concerns are listed below, but let me first say that I have spoken via the phone with Dr. Jeren Rowell. I have voiced my concerns directly to the Seminary president. I have also spoken with staff, students (current & former), and other denominational leaders about my concerns. I am not sharing anything that cannot publicly be verified or has not been addressed directly with those responsible for overseeing these issues. I have sought to follow a Biblical approach of working through differences. 

With that said, here are some of my concerns...

1. Professors on staff:

The visiting professor of spiritual formation and discipleship is Dr. Michael Christensen. He is an elder in the United Methodist church who actively promotes the full inclusion of those who are practicing LGBT. The UM church that he attends declares that they proclaim the love of Christ to everyone which, for them means that they will include you in membership, ministry, etc regardless of your lifestyle concerning the LGBT issues. He has also personally signed a statement by the "reconciling ministries" that supports active LGBT clergy within the UM church. Why would someone like that be allowed to teach at our flagship seminary? You can also see some of the things he worked to promote during his time at Drew Seminary.

Previously, Dr. Elaine Heath, was the visiting professor of evangelism at Nazarene Theological Seminary. She served for a short time as the Dean at Duke Divinity School. Her stand on issues of affirming the LGBT lifestyle are best shared in her own words from her op-ed in the Herald Sun. Heath, like Christensen, view the affirmation of LGBT lifestyle and the inclusion of those who practice such a lifestyle as a social justice issue. In other words, not fully including someone in active ministry within the church who is a practicing homosexual is sin from their perspective. **Update** Elaine Heath is not presently teaching at NTS.


2. Conference & Special Speakers:

Dr. Molly Marshall recently spoke at a preacher's conference. Dr. Russell Moore, of the Southern Baptist Church, writes an article outlining Marshall's views on a few things. Some are, like women in ministry, are inline with the Church of the Nazarene, but some, like LGBT inclusion/affirming, are not!

At the same preaching conference hosted by NTS, Libby Hugus was given a platform. The church of which she is a pastor is socially & theologically progressive congregation. This video is Hugus telling about the church that she pastors. Lot's of vocabulary may lead to bad places, but it is the universalism that remains blatant.

Nick Pickrill was yet another speaker. His church is a self described "socially progressive" and "queer affirming" church.

Dr. Thomas Oord is a frequent speaker and friend of NTS. At one time Oord was a professor at Northwest Nazarene University before his controversial views led to a shake up at the school. What are his controversial views? He believes in process theology. He is also a proponent of full inclusion of LGBT into every facet of ministry. Check out a social media post on his own profile. (It really leaves me wondering how he can remain ordained in the Church of the Nazarene and have such blatant/public opinions that are obviously counter to Biblical teaching and the Church of the Nazarene's official stance.) How is he still an ordained elder in our church?

Update (02-22-22): The Grider-Winget Lectures in Theology with Dr Willie Jennings on February 26, 2022 features the professor and author known for "Can 'White' People Be Saved: Triangulating Race, Theology, and Missions." His insistence to push racial division is not surprising as he also serves as an advocate for gay marriage (and therefore the practice of homosexual behavior). Jennings says: “[G]ay marriage must be celebrated just as strongly, as loudly, and as intensely as any marriage of disciples, because what begins in civil toleration when touched by the Spirit of the living God becomes joyous and extravagant celebration”

Updated (08-26-22): The 2022 Preacher's Conference in September welcomes Rev. Dr. Frank A. Thomas as the speaker. His twitter feed and a Google search can give a pretty clear picture of his standing on various issues. He is a strong pro-abortion, pro-LGBT, pro-gay marriage, and critical race theory proponent. Sound good enough to invite to our seminary and give instruction to our future pastors and leaders?

Updated (02-22-22): If you contact someone who speaks for the seminary you will hear these standard lines: "As an academic institution of higher learning we want our students to engage in a variety of viewpoints and perspectives." Of course no one would suggest that we train our future ministers, who will lead our churches, without an understanding of teachings that contradict Christianity or even our own Wesleyan-Holiness theology. Our pastors and leaders need to understand the falsehood to be able to combat the thoughts and philosophical ideologies that stand as obstacles to seeing minds transformed by the grace of God. The problem is that these ideologies are often treated as acceptable alternatives to clear biblical teachings.

Updated (02-23-22) For example, many leaders will strongly affirm their adherence to the Church of the Nazarene's statement on human sexuality. What they will not do publicly is affirm that those who practice homosexuality will not inherit eternal life. For so many in our Nazarene Seminary, the issue of practicing homosexuality is a denominational issue to be addressed much like we address Calvinism vs Arminianism. We hold to a stance, but acknowledge that you can be a Christian, within the "big tent", and take a position that is contrary to the clear teachings of Scripture. In other words, while they will publicly declare their adherence to a Manual statement, they often do not privately agree with it.

3. Other Seminary Staff:

There are also other members of the staff at NTS who identify as homosexual. There are some who were removed from the ordination process because of their beliefs/lifestyles. Some simply no longer adhered to the doctrine and ethic of the Church of the Nazarene so they walked away. Yet they are/were still employed by our Seminary despite their contradictory lifestyles and doctrinal positions. (Update 02-22-22: One such employee referred to in the previous paragraph was fired after refusing to resign.)

It would seem that more people are identifying as homosexual than are being entirely sanctified in the flagship seminary of the Church of the Nazarene.

4. Getting Rid of "Hell"

I must admit that I don't think this is a problem peculiar to our Nazarene Seminary in Kansas City. However there is a culturally based movement to get rid the idea of "Hell." It is not palatable to our modern sensibilities. It would appear that some of the professors and leadership of our seminary are aiding this influence in the Church of the Nazarene by proposing that we eliminate the negative idea of "Hell" in our articles of Faith. The idea is that a "loving" God could never punish someone for eternity in Hell. Do we believe all of the Bible is allegory now? Did Jesus literally die and rise again? Is Heaven real? (Ever notice how people want to disregard Hell, but not necessarily Heaven?)

There is a trend away from Biblical authority in this move.


5. The Main Issue:

How can our flagship seminary allow our future ministers to be instructed by professors, some of which are unabashedly pro-homosexual? Their theological and biblical ability must be questioned on all fronts if they have come to the conclusion that people who are living actively in homosexual lifestyles are approved and encouraged by God (including their ordination). This taints their whole hermeneutic and leaves every theological conclusion they come to in question.

This is not a random post that has been done in the "spur of the moment." I have personally called and spoken with Dr. Jeren Rowell as well as other various other interactions with staff and personnel from the school. I have spoken with current and former students and staff. I have prayed for this institution (as I continue to do). Churches I have pastored have received offerings to support the work of the Seminary. A small portion of the World Evangelism Fund is given to the seminary annually and as a local church pastor, I have worked to always support the work of the Church of the Nazarene around the world through payment of the World Evangelism Fund. I love the Church of the Nazarene. I now deal with discouragement because of what is happening at the place where many of our missionaries, pastors, and denominational leaders are being trained.

Some of the excuses for not acting on the situations above include a myriad of reasons. Some include a supposed inability to take the appropriate action. Hands are "tied" to be able to "fire" personnel or cancel "legal" contracts. This represents a legal snare that is, in reality, impotence of leadership or an unwillingness to act.


6. What is your response?

Some people have become "institutionalized." They will automatically defend the institution no matter what. It might come from a sense of loyalty to the organization or the social structure. Like me, they care deeply about the denomination they are part of, but will refuse to see any wrong in what is written above.

They will accept the "scripted" answers from some people in hierarchy. "We believe in the articles of faith and the statement on sexuality from the Church of the Nazarene's Manual." It is a painful thing to come to terms with the fact that the institution you love has divorced it's original mission and spiritual DNA.

If you address these issues you will probably receive responses that sound something like this: "We need to be willing to have difficult conversations." "Discussions that involve varying viewpoints are always had at graduate level theological institutions of higher learning." "Our denomination is a big tent that is representative of many people from differing perspectives." "You are harming the unity of the church." These excuses, at the end of the day, simply do not hold up to Biblical imperatives and standards. Our polity can be manipulated to become a smoke screen for agendas of worldly ideologies pushing for change. Real Christian unity is always "unity in Christ". That is, division is created in the body when people reject the truth of Christ.

Let me propose a course of action...

1. Pray. No, seriously, stop and pray. This information may be new to you and has a tendency to evoke anger. This is a temptation. Spend some time sincerely praying for Nazarene Theological Seminary. If you are not willing to pray, I would ask that you not do anything. After praying...

2. Call, e-mail, and/or visit the Seminary. Express your concern with boldness but make sure your speech is seasoned with grace. Do not be dissuaded in your resolve for measurable action to be taken. Do not dilute your concern by using angry rhetoric. Do not attempt to be a bully, but do not be distracted by flowery rhetoric.

3. Act. Prayerfully consider what future actions to take if our seminary continues to persist in actions that undermine Biblical truth and the historic teachings of the church. Acting consistently with grace and firmness is important. Should you stop supporting this institution financially? Should you stop referring students? Those questions need to be answered in light of much prayer and contact with the seminary leadership. (Please do not take such action based solely upon reading a blog. Prayer and personal communication with someone or multiple people at the seminary is essential before taking further action.)

4. Stand up for Truth and Grace. Do not accept the temptation to either ignore Biblical truth or become an "angry protestor." Lead in your local congregation or denominational position with integrity on these issues. Make sure it is clear to those around you about your adherence to Biblical morality as we outline in our stance on issues like Human Sexuality in the Church of the Nazarene.

This is quickly becoming a major issue on every level of the universal Church of Jesus Christ. The United Methodist church is preparing to split over the same issue and countless other denominations have suffered the division that comes from people rejecting Biblical morality in favor of cultural and philosophical idols. Be faithful to God's Word. He hasn't changed His mind. Neither should we.

Many pastors and denominational leaders are fatigued with the conflict. Many will not act because they just long for harmony and unity within the church. I understand the fatigue. I too, long for harmony and focus on the mission of Christ and the promotion of full salvation & holiness again. I too, am tired of the incessant push by some toward a cultural agenda which normalizes sin and diminishes the need for real evangelism. I too, wish to be focused on being fruitful in the harvest. 

There is an incessant push from the world for the church to adhere to it's morality rather than Biblical morality. Some leaders are afraid of the conflict. They know that standing against something is unpopular and costly (personally, emotionally, financially, etc). My prayer, and please don't read sarcasm here, is that they would develop a back bone. Uncle Bud Robinson, a Nazarene Evangelist, said: "Oh Lord, give me a backbone as big as a saw log, ribs like the sleepers under the church floor, put iron shoes on me and galvanized breeches, give me a rhinoceros hide for a skin, and hang a wagonload of determination up in the gable-end of my soul, and help me to sign the contract to fight the devil as long as I've got a fist and bite him as long as I have a tooth, then gum him till I die. All this I ask for Christ's sake. Amen."





69 comments:

  1. Jared,
    You are correct on every point. I am glad you have the courage to stand for biblical truth. However, do not be surprised if you are painted as evil or divisive by those who compromise with the spirit of the age. You know we had (and lost!) the same battles in the UMC. I am saddened that Nazarenes are facing this, but not surprised. Just know you have my love, respect, and prayers.

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  2. I'd like to suggest if you are this distressed by the direction of the denomination's educational institutions, you might consider another denomination.

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    1. wow... if you don't like it, leave...

      I hear that about people's politics all the time... we're not allowed to disagree anymore... or to fight for the future. If you don't like it... leave.

      Of course, acknowledging that educational institutions views are literally changing before our eyes is off the table...

      Just leave if you don't like what we're changing in your home.

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    2. Please don't take Sharon's "advice." Better to stem the tide at the seminary and save your denomination the hell that we've been going through in the UMC for decades.

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    3. I suggest, he continue doing what he is doing!! Fighting! We love our denomination and do not want to see it go the way of the world. We prefer to see tuing righted not tuck tail and run!

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    4. It is not the direction of the denomination, rather, the direction of those that have not held to the integrity of the path of the Church of the Nazarene. Everyone that has been ordained, licensed, or become a member has readily agreed that they support the path and belief of the COTN. If they have developed such a taste for the modern world, maybe it is THEM, that should bow out and join something more toward their belief.... No one forced anyone to take up the mission of the Church of the Nazarene. I dealt with these same issues at a UMC pastor and have watched as the UMC has walked away from its original conservative group to court the modern world. Make no mistake...the UMC split is really going to get ugly. The same will happen in the Church of the Nazarene if it follows the same path.

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    5. Directions can be changed. No need to be the captain of the Titanic or abandon ship in the dock... Thus the term "steering committee".

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    6. There is a very rich irony to taking offense at my suggestion. Lots of people have been out of the COTN by fundamentalists despite faithfully teaching and preaching Holiness doctrine. I am one of them. I love the COTN as my spiritual home, and devoted over 30 years of my life to it. But I was pushed out by the same kind of paranoid witch hunting that is behind the blog. I'm simply saying, you might be happier elsewhere, Jared. I grieved mightily over leaving my church, but God has put me to work outside the COTN.

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    7. AMEN to this article! I have been aware of this ongoing erosion in our universities for many years. I have been appalled by posts from those who have been at the apex of Nazarene leadership and who openly support this socialistic/democrat agenda that pushes abortion, homosexuality, & universalistic theology. God Bless You for your courage to speak out boldly on this blatant abdication from Scriptural holiness & truth! I stand with you 100%! God help us to wake up! I too have been silently pushed out!

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    8. So if I, as an American, don't like the direction of the country, I should just leave? I don't think so. The reason why American is so far away from God is because the church did nothing about the culture. The church kept silent...or left to foreign missions.

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    9. No, it should be the opposite. If you don't like accepting SIN (LGBT) get the sin out!! We are a Holiness Christian denomination. The Bible clearly states that the lgbtq agenda is sin. When we allow them to teach and lead, it is wrong!!!

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    10. I am a Naz. Pastor and within the past two years sat at a District Ministerial Meeting when one of our Retired General Superintendents told Licensed Pastors "If you do not adhere to the Beliefs and Practices of the Church of the Nazarene, find a tribe that fits you better and God bless you as you leave. But do not come into our Tribe and attempt to change our beliefs to fit into your preferences." NOTE: (This is Not an exact quote as it was two years ago, but very close to a word for word quote). We have issues friends and we must be vigilant. I have chosen to serve the COTN as a Pastor because of our Biblical Standing and our devotion to the Scriptures. If we leave the Scriptural teaching as our foundation and standard, we will be subject to losing the blessing of the Father on our efforts to be His Kingdom Builders.

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    11. Very concerned about where we are heading! Praying fervently.

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    12. Wow, you would like that wouldn't you. That statement only works if the person disagrees with the denominations doctrine/polity. That is not the case with Pastor Jared. I would suggest current NTS leadership and its leftest supporters are the ones that are out of line with the CoTN and should move on.

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    13. Wow, you would like that wouldn't you. That statement only works if the person disagrees with the denominations doctrine/polity. That is not the case with Pastor Jared. I would suggest current NTS leadership and its leftest supporters are the ones that are out of line with the CoTN and should move on.

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  3. Thank you first of all for posting your concerns after much prayer and research. I will admit I became concerned about "Process" several years ago. Let me talk to you.

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  4. The church that we loved has changed into something we can no longer be yoked to. I miss the Nazarene Church. Yet my desire for holiness is more important.

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    1. I gre up in a strong Nazarene church. I was a member for over 50 years and was heavily involved in the youth, outreach, missions, etc. I also loved the church and thought I would be a lifer. CCN was the tipping point. We got a liberal pastor who had promised to keep our standards but then proceed down a path of progressivism. We tried to fight it. We had a very long talk with the pastor about our concerns. His response was that maybe we would be happier somewhere else and that he really didn't car what anyone over 50 had to say. We finally left the denomination and ended up at a joliness,holiness, Southern Baptist church where God and His Word are preached and lived daily. My heart is saddened by what is going on in our churches, universities and seminary. I am sure God's is too. Jesus showed us how to love a sinner without accepting their sin. Why isn't the church following His example???

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  5. You are absolutely right.I feel though that a lot of today's
    problems are actually to much education.We come to a point we analyze every verse in the Bible for example we ask did God really mean this instead of accepting that it is
    without error.
    The church world has adopted that God loves everyone which is true but He loved everyone that he preached repentance something that is missing in a lot of messages today.
    I really believe that our education system for ordination needs changing with more emphasis on a Holy character and !ess classes.

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  6. This just confirms concerns that I have had for sometime for the COTN in recent years. God bring us back to Holiness!

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  7. Imagine thinking more education somehow means you’ve come to “think to much” instead of realizing that that education leads us to deeper and more profound understandings of biblical truths. Perhaps next week should discuss having our doctors and surgeons be less educated so they don’t over think our surgeries. Or perhaps we should stop looking for better ways to treat cancer and dementia and rather stick with “what we’ve always been told is the best”

    Be better

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    1. Exactly how the Catholic Church spiraled out of control with its heresies. Philosophy of man rather than the word of God.

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    2. If by saying "deeper and more profound understandings of biblical truth" means to contradict the clear teachings of the Bible; I respectfully disagree.

      I am so thankful for Spirit filled, faithful followers of Jesus Christ who are called to teach in our academic institutions.

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  8. Thank you for standing up and speaking out. Pray that the CHurch have a backbone to stand gracefully, pray that corruption in the Church will be outed and rooted out, and pray for a great harvest of souls.

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  9. I left the Naz denomination a few years ago. While many local churches still hold fast to holiness, 20 some years ago the seeds were already present in the hallways of the seminary. At that time the leadership was still fully committed to holding the standard of holiness but it now appears sadly that this is radically changing. Since leaving I’ve had the chance to pastor other churches who were in this same cusp denominationally and chose not to become entangled again. It is so sad to see the Naz church where the Methodists were 20 years ago. In pray for revival and a recommitment to biblical standards and holiness even though I’m no longer a Naz. I continue to Pastor with freedom of a congregational type of church now.

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  10. Thank you so much for posting! I was worried that NTS was remaining too legalistic, judgemental and patriarchal, but your blog has assuaged my concerns. I’m encouraged knowing NTS is becoming more inclusive and affirming of our LGBTQIA siblings and letting go of outdated and poorly interpreted translations of Scripture.

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    1. Leanne Benefiel RichardsonSeptember 10, 2020 at 5:50 PM

      Love it! I’m so encouraged that NTS is moving forward in love, acceptance, and trying to repair burnt bridges.

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  11. I'm glad to hear you reached out to seminary leadership before writing this critique.

    As for me, I'm a graduate of NTS (MDiv '99), ordained in the Church of the Nazarene, pastoring for 20 years.

    I support NTS and its leadership. It provides an incredibly valuable service to our pastors-in-training, our churches, and our denomination as a whole.

    To respond briefly to the concerns you listed:

    1 & 2. I don't have an issue with NTS having some staff and speakers who disagree with us on some issues. This is not new. As far as I know, it has always been the case. It's part of a full-bodied education to engage with differing ideas, interpretations, positions, convictions.

    3. Since people who identify as homosexual can be members of the Church of the Nazarene (if celibate or married to an opposite-sex spouse), I would hope they could also be employed by our Seminary. By the way, your last sentence in this section detracts from your overall argument. I hope you'll remove it.

    4. This is an issue of biblical interpretation, not biblical authority. Our own Manual mentions hell only in two places: the end of the Articles of Faith (though not in the Agreed Statement of Belief), and in the Apostles Creed in the Baptism ritual (where I believe a much better translation would be "the grave" or "Hades." My personal opinion is that it would be better to allow for diversity of interpretation on this issue where the Bible is less clear, just like we allow diversity of interpretation on eschatology in general.

    5. Your "main issue" comes down to those who interpret a handful of biblical texts differently than we do on LGBT issues. You say that this "taints their whole hermeneutic," but many pro-LGBT-inclusion scholars use a hermeneutic that is quite similar (if not identical) to our own, as seen in our stance on women in ordained ministry leadership. Granted, there are some pro-LGBT-inclusion scholars who use quite different hermeneutical approaches... but frankly, there is no one hermeneutic that is demanded for all Nazarenes.

    It is in this section, too, that you seem to imply that powerful/willing leaders would break legal contracts or break employment laws. I'm not sure how you square that with our call to entire sanctification.

    Thank you for calling us to pray (I am), call the leaders at NTS (I will, to voice my support), and act (I will continue to personally donate to NTS and to lead my church to fully meet our FundingTheMission obligations).

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  12. Thank you for highlighting for others who may not be aware what many of us already have seen.

    Praying for a fresh outpouring of the Holy Spirit, beginning with a fresh surrender in the CotN and our Wesleyan-Holiness brothers and sisters to His truth and power.

    September 10, 2020 at 5:25 PM

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  13. I think it's important to recognize that, hermaneutics, exogesis, etc...... Anything to do with theology is absolutely second to absolute faith in God's promises and the work of the holy spirit. How this institution conducts itself should be built on a rock. Man made rules of inclusion, politics, acceptance, and theological standard are meaningless if the fruit being produced by the institution is bad. Having grown up Nazarene, I can tell you now that I am seeing it slowly evolve into a Unitarian/Universalist movement.

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  14. Imagine people dying of poverty and this is the stuff you care about. lol

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    1. Imagine people with full bellies dying without knowing the Truth about Jesus Christ and going to hell.

      This stuff matters.

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    2. Both poverty and morality are important. Some people are called to focus on some things, while others are called to focus on other things. We can't all focus on the same thing, otherwise other important issues may be neglected.

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  15. Thank you, Jared, for your bold and thoughtful defense of Biblical Christianity! Praying for you!

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  16. Jared, I’m a no-one. Graduated from TNU in ‘03. Your thoughts are well-intentioned, well thought out, and most of all, Biblical. I believe what you say is true. People I’ve talked to have said this for years. There will be a split soon. It’s inevitable. Thank you for your strength and courage, and for your non-condemning way of standing up for what hurts your heart. You have a heart for people, and always have love and joy for everyone I’ve seen you around. Thank you sir, and I wish you the best.

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  17. Tragic as it may seem it is many Religions have changed Doctrine and many try to re-write the Bible, for there ways of Life. Religion will never get you to Heaven however a personal relationship with JESUS will. Pray for those who tray do not judge, show Love and Kindness and JESUS will restore them.

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  18. Maybe those who intend to “fundamentally change” the COTN leave immediately. They are in disharmony with the Manual and the Bible.

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  19. I deeply appreciate your story. I am an ordained elder in the COTN...been retired after 45 years of service, and for the last 12 years have been pastoring in the UMC. I am grieved by the direction of the UMC, and am trying to lead my flock through what is to be an official separation process. I have been aware that the COTN is following in the footsteps of the UMC and have spoken openly on the point. Your report verifies the truth. I love both denominations and feel that God is displeased...also that John Wesley would be highly disappointed in both. I believe the end is near and true believers must stand firm in biblical truth and authority...even if it means that we stand alone. Apostasy is in the devil's agenda...we must oppose it!!!

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  20. Thank you brother Jared for speaking out. Truly i believe the Holy Spirit inspired you to write those words. Keep preaching the holiness messages that God has given you!!!WE will be praying for you Bro Blackard

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  21. I am a third-generation Nazarene and I have children and grandchildren that are Nazarenes so that makes FIVE generations of Nazarenes! My husband was a Nazarene pastor (died 2006) and my brother-in-law is currently pastoring a Nazarene church.

    My heart is broken that I read that the standards of the church and the gospel have been lowered so much. I do not want any of my money going for a school that employees instructors/professors that are living in sin and believe that LGBT lifestyles are ok. WHAT WILL THEY ACCEPT AS NORMAL, NOT SIN AND ACCEPTABLE NEXT? Pedophiles? Rapist? Child molesters? Adulterers? Murderers?

    I applaud your stand and I stand with you! Again, I stand with a broken heart. I have visited the seminary in Colorado Springs. My sister graduated from Trevecca Nazarene College. I know a lot of people that attended our Nazarene universities and Bible Colleges/ Seminaries.

    I will be praying for a bold stand against "leaders" that condone homosexuality and other sin as being acceptable.😭💔🙏🙏🙏

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  22. See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the elemental spiritual forces of this world rather than on Christ. Colossians 2:8

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  23. the wife and I left the church for the very same reasons, it was becoming to progressive for us and our traditional values.We were told by God to love the sinner but to hate the sin knot promote or condone it, and that seems to be what the church wants to do.I still love to preach and tell others about Jesus Christ but I believe sin is sin heaven and hell are real and we all have to choose and me and my house will serve the Lord

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  24. Well said Jered. We cannot look and act like the world and expect to win the world for Christ.

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  25. After reading a lot of these comments I can see that the universities and seminary have achieved their goal...to transform the COTN to a liberal entity and that saddens my heart. I never dreamed that the church of my childhood would go the way of Satan, but I saw it coming many years ago.those of uou who are still holiness minded, stand up, speak up and PRAY for God to heal and wake up those who have gone so far astray.

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  26. I appreciate your bravery in making this post. I hope it gets shared by many Nazarenes so others can see what is going on in our denomination. Many of us have known, or suspected such. My own pastor warned me that when he left, tread carefully with potential candidates who've graduated from NTS. He was right.

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  27. Everything is prophesied in Gods WORD what is happening now. God will judge the churches who have left Thier first love. They will pay for leading the sheep over the cliff to hell.

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    1. Travis, this is the most heartbreaking comment I have read so far. I will definitely keep you in my prayers. I hope you are able to seek out the professors that continue to uphold our faith. I have a friend in the UMC (also holding on just to shepherd his flock through the separation) who attended a very liberal seminary. Since the military was paying his way, he couldn't transfer, but he believes his education there was valuable because it allowed him to "know the enemy". Stay strong! (For the record, I'm only posting this as "Anonymous" because I can't figure out how to change from my husband's account to my own.)

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  29. Bible states there will be a great falling away in the last days.

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  30. Thank you for sharing your heart, Jared. I am a senior at Southern Nazarene University, and I have been looking into graduate school. I am looking into NTS, but I know now to tread more carefully in my search. I knew false doctrine had begun to sneak its way into our denomination as a whole, but I didn't realize how bad it was in the area of education. I love our denomination. I have grown up and become a youth pastor in this denomination. I want to be ordained. More than anything, I want to truly make a difference in the Nazarene Church. I have seen an overall lack of accountability in our church concerning every aspect of living a holy life. I agree with everything you said. I hope to see major change soon.

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  31. Travis...my heart goes out to you brother. How incredibly sad and disheartening. I had much the same experience and I too struggled with how this could happen at a place where I felt God leading me. Continue to seek His guidance but also I encourage you to seek out options for higher education that adhere to God's Word. There are several interdenominational schools out there that may be an option. www.gbs.edu is one I know of that has accepted many Nazarene students and is a quality, accredited education that remains faithful to God and His word. Blessings.

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  32. I support your position. I am with you!

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  33. My heart breaks that this is happening in our denomination, but like others have stated, we have known, by the shift away from holiness and biblical truth that our days were numbered. It is God who sees and knows what it happening and He is not taken by surprise. What man has devised will ultimately fall in the dust at our feet. However, we must all remind ourselves, God is still the Sovereign Authority over all things. He calls us as preachers of the gospel to preach the word in season and out of season. While it seems the season in our church is shifting, God's message of salvation through Jesus Christ alone remains the same! We are not called to save denominations, buildings, or land! We are called to save people. To introduce them to the One who is the Way, the Truth, and the Life.

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  34. To give evil our seat hastens our defeat.and more room for their numbers .Eph 6:10-12 Heb:12:1-4 your Standing . It's the Lords battle, and he is well able .Gods blessing Jared .

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  35. It's disappointing to see from the very beginning something entitled "Taking the High Road" followed by a polite bashing of this seminary based on their decision to incorporate diverse, well-qualified professors and speakers (who, as you have mentioned, were only ever visiting professors). I hope you would agree that as Christians, not simply members of the CotN, we are to love and support those in the LGBTQ+ community even if we understand their sexual acts to be sinful, let alone support and hear the perspectives of the "supporters" like these professors and others you mentioned. I'm sure if you asked any student of the seminary if they affirmed homosexuality as a sin, their answer certainly wouldn't ever be "no" because of what our Nazarene staff has taught in their classes. One thing that is continually taught at the seminary, however, is the importance of seeing a broad perspective of hermeneutics and the ability to understand the "other," even when there is disagreement. I certainly think Jesus took the time to be with people who were considered sinful, including ones committing sexual sins, and I hope that the CotN continually learns to be welcoming and willing to listen to those today with similar sins. But if you're proposing that our students of the seminary should not listen to or associate with others who may think homosexuality isn't a sin or maybe even are homosexual themselves, it sounds like these students would become well-equipped to exile a whole community from the CotN. My heart breaks that "high road" blogs like this exist (and are also currently causing severed relationships within the seminary); my heart breaks also breaks as you have written that modern culture has appropriated these kind of sins. Most of all though, my heart breaks that people like those in the LGBTQ+ community have little space in our denomination to express and confess their feelings, beliefs, and struggles. I admittedly am frustrated with this post, but do appreciate your concerns to maintain our Nazarene beliefs and call to prayer for guidance of this place of learning for our ministers. I just hope this kind of prayer is accompanied by a similar devotion to seek relationships with those whom the church has so often rejected.

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    1. 1. No professor is well qualified who does not understand basic Biblical ethic on sexuality. It is clear.

      2. Of course we are called to love all people, regardless of their sexual activity. Holy love does not, however, require support of sinful activity or lifestyle choices. Jesus ate with sinners, but His call was always to "repent/sin no more."

      3. False teaching and influence that leads to immoral living are always addressed as very serious attacks on the unity and purity of God's people. The New Testament continually rebukes such and God even rebukes some churches for tolerating false teachings.

      4. I have seen a number of individuals redeemed who once were bound in sexual sin. As a pastor, I regularly deal with people who have a variety of sin issues in a context of holy love. I have been blessed to be able to baptize many who repented and experienced the cleansing Christ paid for on the Cross.

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  36. As a retired elder in the Nazarene church and the son of a Nazarene elder before me, I have always had the sinking feeling in my Spirit that something was amiss in the church for some time. I graduated from NTS in 1975. The profs and invited guests that we had never talked about LGBTQ ever. Probably the most controversial speaker we had was Eugene Nida who gently but firmly challenged our believes on missions.

    Some points I would like to make.

    1. When and where did we begin to believe that using a Lectionary with suggested readings is the way to go in the leading of worship services. What happened to Spirit-led pastors reading and praying over what their congregation needed to hear on a given Sunday.

    2. What has happened to the primacy of the Word? Why does it have to have man made ideas researched to authenticate the Word. I love theology. The kind of theology that is the study of God's Word. Does the churches institutions even teach Greek to its prospective pastors?

    3. What has happened to the absolute necessity to pray about things in the church and seek God for the answers. How many pastors know how many different words there are for prayer in the Greek New Testament? Note: There are ten.

    4. I have been in several Nazarene churches in the years since I retired and have never heard the subject of holiness taught. When asked, most pastors just said or implied that it was not relevant anymore. I would lovingly suggest Hebrews 12:14.

    5. When did evangelism become solely done on events? I did a lot of events when I was a pastor but followed up so that the ripe fruit could be found rather than take a chance that they would fall back into church. Whatever happened to each one reach one. This is the purposeful attempts to build relationships with others with the idea in mind to lead them to Christ in His time. BTW: In retirement I still do this. It still works.

    6. What happened to the practice of fasting? Jesus prayed and fasted. So did many of the other heroes of the faith fast. I hear very little of the Biblical practice of fasting anymore.

    7. What happened to loving people as they are instead of blasting them because they don't agree with our point of view. One of my colleagues from college holds both political and church views that are quite different from mine. Yet I would rather have a friend than alienate them with my different points of view. I love him anyway.

    8. What happened to the Body of Christ? This is a necessary part of Scriptural understanding that leads to practicing intimacy with others in the Body of Christ appropriately. I have a small group I meet with regularly and one of them is a real challenge to love. He does all sorts of things that aggravates me and the group. Finally one day in an extended prayer time the Father showed me that I needed to love him for what he was. When this happened, "he changed." Not, I changed and now I am his go to guy for prayer that happens about once a week.

    9. What ever happened to revivals, prayer retreats and other special events for the church to develop depth and strength in the Spirit to withstand the fiery arrows of the evil one.

    10. Why does the church only teach forgiveness of sin but never the forgiveness of self? I have met 100's if not 1000's of people who struggle in their faith. Many of which were never taught to forgive themselves.

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  37. There is no awe for God because there is no awe for his word. There is no rigor in Scripture study. Did you know that Adam came from the ground "adamah" and he is made from blood "dam" דם and spirit "a". The ד represents the commandments and the ם represents being finished by the son.

    Mammon is a Hebrew word meaning 'the believing ones'; You can't serve God and self.

    Agape is a Hebrew word meaning 'the combatants'; Agape love is the love that God gave us while we were still sinners and enemies.

    But the traditions of the Greeks are taught instead.

    The so-called worst chapter of the Bible (Ge 37) has a detailed picture of the birth of Christ which we can discover when using the methods of interpretation taught by Luke in Acts 12.

    A Q document? Gibberish. The gospels were written as snapshots of the Hebrew teaching in the synagogues by the apostles at 10-15 year intervals, and thrown over the fence at the Greeks who didn't want to be Jewish. The differences demonstrate the hermeneutic that Jesus taught, which they forgot, and were reminded by the Holy Spirit. They teach us how to read the Old Testament the way Jesus and the apostles did; which scholars confess that they cannot do.

    John got his doctrine of John 1:1-4 from the first three words of Ge 1:1 using notarikon, not from a Greek philosopher.

    You wonder why there is a drift? Because you don't care who teaches the Bible.

    Jesus said that there was no marriage in the resurrection; those believing so do not know the scripture nor the power of God. Yet those who teach our future pastors say that the marriage supper is in the resurrection.

    The word for marriage also means 'doctrine'. Eating is a metaphor for learning. After the cross (where the Son obtained his bride) there was an explosion (banquet) of doctrine as the mystery; hidden from the beginning, was revealed.

    God said we could know, then believe and understand. Who teaches that? It's all a blind leap of faith or relative and personal beliefs. When you see that God built the preaching of the cross right into the Hebrew language itself; using the metaphor 4000 years before they were defined by the cross, there is no question that God is God and the Bible is his word.

    The answer to the first question of the Catechism should be: To know God, make him known, and give him pleasure in all we do. He can be known, and desires to be known.

    There were three women at the same well. They tell of the roles of each person of the Trinity in obtaining the bride. This is not a difficult exercise but when you figure it out, you have started thinking like a Hebrew instead of a Greek.

    Drift from the word... you drift from God.

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  38. We left the Nazarene church after 20 yrs. For many reasons:The Catholic practices coming in
    ( Lent with ashes on forehead, repeating the Lord's prayer every service, candles in remembrance of dead loved ones, the liturgy ), the Holy Spirit referred to as SHE, a youth leader unapologetically supporting the BLM movement, a service of lament for our racial sins, no preaching on sin, or hell and rarely redemption.
    We now attend an Idependant Baptist church. It was hard to leave our friends but it was time.

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    1. Just FYI: None of those practices you described are "Catholic practices." They have been practiced in numerous Protestant denominations as well, for centuries. The fact that some local churches in our denomination are rediscovering their value and helpfulness for worship, discipleship, and mission can be a very good thing.

      Having said that, it's clear that you weren't comfortable with the direction your local church was going. I hope and pray that you've found a church community that will help you continue to grow in Christ and serve others with his love.

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  39. Rev. Wallace Dorn, retired pastor.December 21, 2021 at 3:51 PM

    Right on Jared. Thank you for having the courage to stand for Biblical truth.

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  40. I knew other denominations had left the way; however I did not even dream the Nazarene church would follow suit . It grieves my heart, but the word tells us this would happen in the last days .

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